Dad's a Spicy Meatball
Dad's a Spicy Meatball
It Was A Simple Card That Said, "Every Father Should"
The Meatballs Know Exactly What Every Father Should Do Now. In this episode we discuss: Squid Game Treats, Father Hand Memories, Letters Arriving After A 3 Year Journey, School Nurses And Scoliosis Tests, People Telling You That You Have Terrible Hair, and The Crockpot from Adam In Virginia, "How Do You Deal With People Giving Advice That Have No Business Doing So?"
Welcome to Dad's A Spicy Meatball, the show where two tired dads, separated by 845 impassable miles, try to keep things silly but inevitably get overly contemplative and often weird. Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of dad's a spicy meatball. We've got one of the spiciest, hottest, extra spicy, sweatiest, sauciest, meatiest episodes that you've ever experienced. Tonight we are gonna go places that you've never been before, and by that I mean this is just kind of my rambling intro, which is the symptom of a broken, wilted mind, with a equally wilted mind as my co-host, Mr Corey.
Speaker 2:Green. Here I am. I'm about to give you a sound effect. Let's see if I can get it in there. Oh, get it in.
Speaker 1:Oh, crunchy, how was that? That was crunchy. We didn't even say it was gonna be crunchy. We said it was gonna be saucy and spicy and sweaty. But what are you?
Speaker 2:what's you crunching on there, guy, uh, buddy of mine who, you know, juno from korea, sent me, among other things like basically a care package, was the. You probably know what these are called, but they're from Squid Game. You know the little like you've.
Speaker 1:Squid Gamed, haven't you? I haven't watched all of it yet.
Speaker 2:Which game are you on?
Speaker 1:They just finished the little cutting out the shapes game.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, that's what this is. It's like little snackable versions of that Comes in a nice little pouch, I already ripped the top off.
Speaker 1:Is versions of that comes a nice little palette already ripped the top off. Is there any kind of like death awaiting you, if you?
Speaker 2:don't do some part of it correctly. Possibly. Possibly he didn't. He didn't sort of mention that in his letter, but maybe these things are kind of incredible. It is I, you know me, I don't have a super sophisticated palette, but I took one bite of these things and the texture is such that it's like one of those, it it's kind of. It's almost like a, like a Cheez-It. That's like been toasted in sugar, so like sticks to your teeth, so kind of that, like caramel. The flavor tastes exactly. I mean exactly like taking oh my God, taking a s'more. Like fresh out of the fire, oh wow, just like smashed. So no chop minus the chocolate, so just the chocolate, just the malo and the graham cracker.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's exactly what it tastes like it's delicious. So I sent him one of the ever every father should, things like what was that like? Four or five years? Well, how old's my kid? He's. That was four years ago, because I sent him about six months before he was born, I think, or so.
Speaker 2:And for a reminder, you guys have heard this story that the meatballs have. But in case you didn't listen to that episode or whatever, this was a letter that I sent to a bunch of men that I respected that had had children, and it was just a simple card that just said every father should, father should, and then it was blank, right, and so then they have the opportunity to fill in a blank and mail it back to me, so sort of my way of inviting people into this sort of fatherhood journey with me. And and, by the way, I got one from kyle in the mail two weeks ago oh, maybe did you ask for it or did you send it well, no, no, sorry, he's, he's doing it, he did it oh for himself, for his kid yeah, so, yeah.
Speaker 2:So my brother, he very, which I'm by sort of co-opted it, and yeah is doing it as well, so I haven't filled his out yet.
Speaker 1:That seed has has has bared a lot of fruit. I mean, this podcast is basically a spinoff of that as well. We have a lifestyle brand that came as a result of it too.
Speaker 2:We have an Instagram handle. It's all great, it's all great, it's all great. So when I mailed that to juno I've obviously never mailed anything to korea I had no idea like I literally I had to google like three different times because I couldn't figure out the order of the addressing. Very confusing, because the way that he sent it to me was the way that you would like just mail stuff it was. It was like I couldn't figure out if it was how I was supposed to put it because it was like different than the way we did it, or if it was him trying to americanize it for me.
Speaker 2:And I was like it's one thing for this to get out of america, which obviously, like the korea should probably resolve that, but it's another thing, apparently, for it to actually get to korea and like find them properly. And so I said that to him three and a half years ago and did not hear a thing, nothing. And oh, by the way, the like postage guy was like you're sending us where, like when I did it, that's going to be any like told me like the postage, and he's like actually it's going to be inside to like repay twice, just buy all the stamps.
Speaker 2:All the stamps is all you need. Man, come on multiple things that I was like this is just not, this is not gonna work. So I had no idea if he got it, had no, I nothing. And then last week we got on my car and there was like a piece of trash in our bushes, like our front bushes. I was like what is that? I went and grabbed it and it was a notice from UPS that I had missed a package that I needed to sign for.
Speaker 1:I was there when this happened. Was that you? So you saw this. I saw the note in the bush. Oh, did you really? Yes, I saw it after you picked it up. Okay, got it, got it. I mean, I don't. I don't make a habit of looking around in people's bushes.
Speaker 2:Well, you might, so anyway. So I assumed you were with me. I didn't think you'd have it, I just assumed it was like one of bo's christmas presents. And so I went to. I went and they like, oh, you got a sign for this, okay, and they brought it out. I was like what in the world is this? And it was a package from judo, and so it was like so he hadn't had a kid yet. I think he and his partner were pregnant, or maybe were just about to be whenever I sent it to him, which is one of those things where I wanted his perspective and so he responded he did not include the Every Father Should what.
Speaker 2:He didn't include the card. So I think he lost the card. Come on, probably more likely it probably got mangled. He referenced it and he said that's why he was writing. I was like that's cool. And then he sent us like a long letter about like fatherhood.
Speaker 1:Can you just go get it and read it in its entirety? An extremely personal message that was just for you. That would be awesome, just for all the people.
Speaker 2:And then I'll send him this podcast so he can listen to me reading it. We're really trying to build our Korean audience, absolutely. If you could send this to your friends, he included these nice little notes explaining what everything was, and one of them was those little things.
Speaker 1:Nice, magical. Those neighborhoods are crazy, so you want to hear our address.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you were in Korea. Why didn't I ask you when I was mailing? You would have known how to do this.
Speaker 1:I might have. If you were sending it to me, it would have known how to do this. I might have, but so it would. You would. If you're sending it to me, it would have been gumi, south korea, in chongdong, gamcha, and then it would have. And then you would have had to spell out the numbers of our apartment, because you get the city, the neighborhood, and then the building just had its own name. So our building was just called potato. That was what the word meant. Oh, we're the, we were in potato, and the building next to us was love. So if you were in.
Speaker 2:If you were in in shangdong, you were looking for the potato and the love building, you would have found us I just remember going in, I just remember going into google maps and, depending on the order in which I put things, there were three different locations in the same city that it might go to and I was like I don't know which one's his.
Speaker 1:Because there was probably a potato building in every neighborhood, you know, and the neighborhood was like a couple blocks, it wasn't, like you know, a huge swath of things. So just in case the meatballs want to send you a care package, could you give them your address real quick, just in case the meatballs want to send you a care package. Could you give them your address real quick? Spat that out. We will love your care packages.
Speaker 2:Whatever's in it, we don't you know, yeah, send them our way, full open invitation.
Speaker 1:whatever it is, it could be living, it could be whatever you want to put in a package and send it to us, just find us on Venmo, just do that. Just make it easy. That would be really fun. We could just get a PO box and be like, yeah, go, nuts, whatever weird stuff you want to send us, and then we could just go to the PO box every couple of weeks and be like, oh my gosh, I got a lot of crickets or whatever it is that we got.
Speaker 2:Give me a podcast idea. What's in the box? What's in the box?
Speaker 1:Every week you just open up the PO box. Whatever people mailed you. Oh, I like that. What was the was there like? So school nurses, could they? Could they give you legally anything other than a cold compress for any kind of ailment? Like do you, can you picture? Well, you had asthma, didn't you?
Speaker 2:or do, hold on, follow my train stay on the train stay on I know, I know this is going somewhere and I'm trying to figure it out no, I'm just saying the nurse at school, the nurse at school yeah, yeah, yeah, we've jumped to school. Yes, I'm tracking. Could she give you anything other than cold complex?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean you had, you had your inhaler. That was like with her, correct? I think I just carried in my backpack. Oh, you were allowed to, I think. I think at our school you weren't allowed to carry anything. If you were to administer it you would have to go to the. But I guess an inhaler.
Speaker 2:You got to need it there, In elementary school, I think. Maybe, Although it didn't, yeah, maybe in elementary school. In junior high I carried it with me, but in elementary school I think I'd be able to get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, that's what I'm thinking, because anytime that was offered to me was a cool compress and it was wrapped up with that tan paper towels that are not absorbent at all. They're wrapped around it and getting wet and just on whatever body part you just hurt. Do you have any similar memories to this? Is that just me? Did you all have better paper towels?
Speaker 2:We didn't have better paper towels. We had the same paper towels.
Speaker 1:I don't know I didn't go a lot, but my tummy hurts. Well, I can give you a cold compress. That's what you want. Yeah, I remember a lot of just lay down and we'll call your mother, and that was a very relieving. I can picture when you just said that. I have a picture in my head of sitting on that vinyl bed thing that was in there and then seeing my mom pass by the open door and be like I'm out of here. I'm out of here, man, I'm gone. He just sprung me free. One call, that's all. It took Cold compress.
Speaker 2:Dude, this is sitting my brain down.
Speaker 2:This like weird, nostalgic, like rabbit hole of, like weird Okay, cause we're at that age where, like it's been a long time since we were in elementary and junior high been a minute, yeah, and I'm I'm literally trying and like I, of course, like any good adult or or just like scared, shitless child, I've since then had plenty of just weird recurring dreams about either going to the nurses or going to the principal's office in junior high or high school, like failing to have my schedule put together in time, those kind of weird things, yeah.
Speaker 2:But now, now that you're talking about it, I'm literally in my head going like is that really what it looked like or is that what my recurring dream looked like? I can't, I literally can't distinguish in my head. I'm literally sitting here trying to distinguish reality from. I'm picturing specifically the nurse's station and I'm sitting here going the the way that I remember that, or at least the way that it's like filling in my brain that wasn't my elementary school, I don't think, because I'm picturing that office and that looked different. And then I'm like that wasn't my junior high, because I'm picturing that and I think that looked different. So what?
Speaker 1:is this image? Is it like Saved by the Bell? Perhaps, maybe, or something like that, or maybe maybe it was my previous life, you know, oh wow that's the only. Thing that's the only thing showing through is the nurse's office what a disappointment.
Speaker 1:Must have had quite an experience I had quite an experience, because I mostly, if I'm picturing it, I see the elementary school one, because I think I definitely was going there more often than any other. In the middle school school, one I have a bit of memory of. Do you remember scoliosis testing? Oh, yeah, right. So you had to take your shirt off, bend over and touch your toes. I was a string bean and she just kept having me bend over a bunch of times in a row and she's like I don't think you have scoliosis, but you're just so skinny. It's hard to tell and at the time I just accepted that as some sort of real thing. And now I'm like, if anything, you could see it all so much easier because I had no muscle or fat to block my frail spine Like what. I don't understand. Why, my, are you just shaming me?
Speaker 2:You're a bizarre shape.
Speaker 1:I wish I could tell if it was a scoliosis, but you're just so ugly and I just can't. Your haircut's the worst, but this naked is so hard to tell if this is scoliosis or not.
Speaker 2:Your spine's fine, but your hair, your hair is garbage.
Speaker 1:Did you have the like like middle part situation going?
Speaker 2:on. There was definitely like a chili bowl phase, which was a middle part phase. Yeah, that definitely happened at some point. I think I basically had bad hair all my life until I was like 25, and literally a woman I worked with goes Corey, you have really nice hair, but the way you do it is really fucked up. Is this someone you worked with? Because, cory, you have really nice hair, but the way you do it is?
Speaker 1:really fucked up.
Speaker 2:This is somebody you worked with. Oh yeah, she was australian and she was just. She was just like very straight shooter. Wow, she's like you. You dress fine, but you do your hair like a child. You're an adult now, I'm and so she literally, was like she was like we're gonna find you a proper barber shop and I'm gonna take you and we're going to go get your haircut.
Speaker 1:She's the one responsible for what we see today. Wow, she is. We went on a Saturday, she made a terrible mistake.
Speaker 2:She literally met me in Soho and went to a barber shop and got a barber haircut. Now you're a man I'm very grateful for that Very awkward.
Speaker 1:No need for a bar mitzvah, just a haircut, just a verbal kick in the nuts. Have you had any of those kind of conversations? No, have you ever told somebody the thing that nobody will tell them? No, never. Like even you have to me, haven't you you have? If I've done it, it was I know one about me, but you go on, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe I have. I have said things, probably out of spite, that other people would not say yes.
Speaker 1:I'm good at that. What did I do to you? What did I do about something else? So remember, we went backpacking around Central America and we were in the rainy season. We smelled horrible, and so horrible that we couldn't even smell ourselves.
Speaker 1:By the end of it, we came and stayed at your apartment in New York. We knew we stunk and still we tried to tuck all of our stuff as much in the corner as possible and we're like we also didn't really know the full volume of our stink At that point. You did not say a word while you were there. Like two years later you said something. I said something. You're like at least I didn't stink up your apartment, oh dear God. And I was like I'm sorry we should have gone to a laundromat. In hindsight we just were like oh well, we've got it contained. We've got our like really stinky stuff. It's down the bottom, Nobody can smell it.
Speaker 1:I was so we were so gross that my hiking boots were growing Like there was like green mold growing in my boots because I was just wet for like two months straight. The other one was about the game I found out that you guys used to play, which is when is scott gonna buy a round of drinks, and it was usually forever. I usually was not gonna buy one because at that time I had a very even stingier than I am now, which was like I was like well, I'm planning to buy three drinks tonight and I don't really want to participate in you know, didn't find out about, but you're happy to receive.
Speaker 2:you didn't want to participate in it. I didn't find out about that, but you're happy to receive.
Speaker 1:You didn't want to participate, but you're happy to receive. I mean it's in my hand. What am I supposed to do with it, corey? Am I supposed to turn it away?
Speaker 2:That's much ruder you know, In some ways my life would be different if the ability to purchase booze were just cut out of my life.
Speaker 1:I'd be in a different financial situation. No, it was two sides of a coin. No, I mean, it's not there, there were. There was me that I should have been buying equal share. But again, it was just my very rigid thinking.
Speaker 1:And then I was like guys, we're going to this bar, I've got enough money for three drinks and I'm planning to buy myself three drinks, and you guys are buying rounds all over the place and I'll just drink what you're just terrible I learned but it was part of my just not good share in general thing, like how I didn't share any food or anything, just was I had my allotted amount cory, and that was government issued and you can't take that from me.
Speaker 2:I won't do it. Yeah, and we knew you took it seriously, so we didn't. We just played a game and we didn't tell you Okay.
Speaker 1:So what I want you to think about like this is kind of a weird exercise but I want you to think about there's like something about father's hands.
Speaker 1:Like there's something there where I don't know they're familiar, maybe to you in some way, or maybe even, like as a kid, was there something that you looked at those hands and thought a thing. So the reason I'm asking the question is I'm thinking about my dad's and if I'm just picturing a generic image of my dad's hands, he is cutting his fingernails with the scissors on a Swiss army swiss army knife and I I think that is like a in some ways is like a very telling portrait actually, in a way, because he is he's very tidy and always has been, like for my whole life, clean and tidy and dressed, neat and you know all those sorts of things. I have no picture in my head of him needing a haircut, needing his fingernails clipped, needing a shave, any of those things ever. Really, is there something for you or is there like an image, or you can picture that where it's telling in a similar kind of way?
Speaker 2:well, I think I think for kids, your dad's hands are always the biggest ones in the household, so just something about them being like big and strong. You know there's especially as a Well, I think, for kids, your dad's hands are always the biggest ones in the household. So there's just something about them being like big and strong you know, especially as a boy, I think.
Speaker 2:Well, I think women too, I think we just sort of interpret differently, you know, and I think for boys we sort of see it, we find our own strength in that, and I'm sure women do too. But I think there's also maybe like a security as well Although I'm projecting, I shouldn't pretend to know that. So I do think there's like just something I don't know if it's a universal human thing there's something about just like growing up. Like your sort of father's hands are, I think, sometimes good, sometimes bad. So I remember my dad's hands. I remember my grandfather was like very clearly, partially because he had shops, half of his, what was his pinky off he had? Like he had like a couple of.
Speaker 2:He had a couple of fingers that he had like shopped off enough that he didn't have a fingernail, oh man, anyways, but he had like a nub, you know. So I remember that. But I also, just like I can remember what he he did with his hands Kind of your point of like and this is a fear of mine which we'll come back to, which is similar to a thread that we've talked about before but like I can remember him building things with his hands and I remember just like watching his hands. I can remember them like working, like working in a garden or like even just like cooking me pancakes on like a cast iron stove. I remember that.
Speaker 2:And I just remember he was a preacher, so how he held his Bible. I remember very specifically I remember little things like that and I obviously loved him tremendously, and my dad's probably to a lesser degree, but I remember how he gripped the steering wheel and I remember his college ring that he would wear and I remember where my, my granddad's were like thick and the skin was like leathery, you know, from years of labor. Basically, my dad's were very like long and sand and manicure, not like he's going to get mani pedis, but like taken care of. Yeah, I don't know what it is. There's like a weird, there's like a very strange sort of weird connection or admiration or something there yeah, a lot of those what you were saying, like the driving.
Speaker 1:I was like I can picture exactly the driving stance, like the style I can picture, like his ring and how that's interacting with things. It wasn't until you said something that I went oh, I guess I have a big back catalog of that. Hand memories, hand memories. I'm like that's so strange and there's not a lot of people that I can say that about, but I guess for some reason, yeah, my fear is and again topics that we've talked about, but one is Bo's going to remember my hand holding a phone.
Speaker 2:So that's inevitable. So it's like I got to kind of get past that. What my fear is that, like whenever he starts having screens, he's not gonna remember my hands at all, because if he's in the back seat will he have a screen and if so, he'll never notice it.
Speaker 2:You know, like part of it, like part of the reason we noticed these things is because we had nothing else to do, like we sort of observed. I, and this one for me is less of a worry about how my hands will be remembered they may not be remembered at all.
Speaker 1:I hadn't thought of that. That's true. I think we just say put your phone down and look at my hands, Check these hands out.
Speaker 2:Hey Corey, hey Scott.
Speaker 1:I like this one. I like this question. Can I say I feel targeted, all right? This is from Adam. Okay, I like this question. Can I say I feel targeted, all right, and then you'll understand why. So this is from Adam, from Virginia. Adam says I'm struggling with the proliferation of internet blogs, blogs and podcasts from parents who give often wrong advice based on personal experience and not any medical or psychological science.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute.
Speaker 1:How to deal with this stream of conflicting information. Guys, this guy's got jokes. Easy guy Get out of here, he's got jokes.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, what do we do with this? I think we've talked about it in kind of similar ways. But what do we do with this proliferation? Everybody's got a different opinion. There's all these blogs. There's all these blogs, there's all these talking heads. You know just dumb guys out here that are just shooting from the hip and they got no medical or psychological background, but they are just, yeah, giving advice willy-nilly. I think this is an important, important time to.
Speaker 2:While the podcast is not satire, we do not pretend to offer any sort of advice that anyone should actually take.
Speaker 1:We should have had a lot of, I think.
Speaker 2:I feel like Adam's taking a shot.
Speaker 1:You know, in just a passive-aggressive way, that's all. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Adam, my advice is to get off your phone. It's been time to get you know. Maybe quit scouring the internet for out of parent. Maybe just do it, you know.
Speaker 1:How about you stop looking up big words like proliferation and you just? That brings us to the conclusion of Dad's Spicy Meatball Podcast.
Speaker 2:We've been found out.
Speaker 1:We've been found out, yeah.
Speaker 2:We've been, we've been found out, we've been found out.
Speaker 1:We've been Actually underneath. It says that he's with what is his body. He's part of some sort of law enforcement.
Speaker 2:He must have been giving misinformation. You know how they have the cult.
Speaker 1:Watch law enforcement. It's kind of a similar subset of guys. They're just looking at dumb podcasts. Watch, you know, law enforcement. It's kind of a similar subset of guys. They're just looking at dumb podcasts.
Speaker 2:There's a cult watch version of law enforcement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a whole like I don't know which branch they're in, but they literally are monitoring cults around the United States to see if they're going to actually be a dangerous thing. Yeah, isn't that kind of interesting. I didn't know that. So, yeah, they're on to our lake house cult. Whoops, we tried.
Speaker 2:We tried.
Speaker 1:Let's see here. You want me to take a stab? Yeah, you take a stab. Yeah, take a stab. You're just too hurt.
Speaker 2:I can see it on your face. I'm taking it personally. He's taking it personally here's my advice. Ask your doctor or find, like, make friends with a pediatrician, I don't know, like, this is like I don't know, I, I, I. This is I'm a little bit. Yeah, we live in a world full of full of misinformation and echo chambers. You gotta figure out how to get out of this.
Speaker 1:He struck a nerve there, adam, yeah you're asking to get out of.
Speaker 2:You gotta pick a pill and move, brother can that be the next t-shirt?
Speaker 1:pick a pill and move? We can. If it's just kind of loose, matrix type images, I think we're safe from copyright right probably totally safe. It was just like a guy was like just kind of like ray-bans on instead of those weird sunglasses amorphous has. I think we're, we're covered, basically right. It's just like a guy with like just kind of like Ray-Bans on instead of those weird sunglasses the Morpheus has, I think we're, we're covered, basically Right. It's just like a cool guy trying to give drugs to somebody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, john Wick's a cool guy. He'll be totally down with it. Give your thoughtful answer.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I have one, I'm just going to stab around in the dark until I I feel like, what would I say? Are we just going to teach like a internet sources class? So now we're going to follow that source and we're going to see where that leads to, and you know where we ended up. It had a lot of EDUs attached to it, in this case, shell organization run by Breitbart. Know that? What would I say?
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, like you said, find a physician. You, you vibe with one of my buddies. His friend was a doctor, a pediatrician, and so I was like picking his brain. I was just like you know, what do you do with this? We hear conflicting things. We've heard conflicting things from different pediatricians about this. We just had varying degrees of success with picking pediatricians we like and whatever.
Speaker 1:And he just goes it sounds like you're a difficult patient. Oh, I like that. I tried to backpedal quickly. I was like I mean, no, I mean I just there's just a few like things that I would hope to see, that are kind of like markers to me of somebody that I trust in what they're saying. And yeah, you're probably right, that's what it is he was like he was, like there's just not. He's like there's becoming less and less of us and yeah, you're not gonna find a perfect one, so just go with what you got. Go with what you got and I was like, all right, I guess I will's fine, but it's my children's lives that are in your hands, sir. No, I mean, we've landed on ones that are just like if they were on Good Morning America. That tends to be kind of like if they're a doctor and they landed on a Good Morning America. That seems like a good place to start.
Speaker 2:I do. I will say I can't relate in terms of blogs and video blogs. I just don't inherently trust people. If I have to Google it, I don't trust the results, unless it's coming from the Mayo Clinic or some hospital that I recognize and respect, or some school or whatever. Unless there is a scientific study attached to it. Whatever, I don't care how strongly they believe it or pawn it off as fact.
Speaker 2:Where it's tricky are all these parenting books, because they're like we read one that people are like pretty crazy about and it's very like pseudosciencey, like very pseudosciencey, like just a lot of anecdotal evidence, a lot of like personal stories. In my experience I've coached thousands of parents but no real data, like the appearance of data, but no real data. You know, and I still think some of that. That doesn't mean it's not necessarily valuable, because you know if somebody really does have the experience and it's popular enough that people seem to think that it's working. But even like in 2021, like even that is sort of like a or 22 wherever we are in our lives at this point, even that is not like enough. There's millions of people that think of covid. It's like not a real thing, right. So so like even that's not enough. I don't know it's, it's, I don't know man. Vet, your vet, your resources, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think I feel the same way. I feel about this kind of stuff, maybe the same way I feel about workouts, which is like if it's a fad or if they have a tagline attached to it or they have whatever, then I just assume it's garbage. I feel like if it appears that it's just selling a new spin on things, then it's like if somebody came to me and they said oh yeah, we actually have some parenting advice. It's not very glamorous, it's a book and it's just called, it's Hard and we Don't have All the Answers, Then I would be like, okay, that's the one. But if it's like and we don't have all the answers, then I would be like, okay, that's the one. But if it's like the no stress parenting book or the the French do it this way parenting book or the whatever, I'm like easy, like that's just, like, that's just so you can advertise this thing. You just try to come with an angle here and like now you're presenting this as if it's some brand new and revolutionary thing and I always feel skeptical of it.
Speaker 2:Well, to be honest, whenever I heard the first version you recommended before I'd heard of it, the first person you recommended Happiest Baby on the Block I was like I immediately don't trust this.
Speaker 1:I immediately.
Speaker 2:Don't trust this book. It sounds like complete bullshit. It sounds like totally Pollyanna and turns out it's hugely popular. But we had it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have it too, we have it and I did this stuff I can't remember which books we liked, it didn't like, but it's your exercise sort of metaphor is a good one, because I would sort of say, like I'd give sort of a different angle on the same thing you said, which is is, in my opinion, like if you're talking to somebody who is on the couch, it doesn't really matter what the fat is, as long as it gets them off the couch and moving. Cool, go do it. And I kind of feel the same way about parenting, like, as long as it's not hurting your child, it is making you either more sane or a better parent, or being more thoughtful about how you parent. Like, go do it. Like, as long as, again, as long as you're not doing any harm, you know, I mean it's, it's the difference between oh boy, this is this would be a like, a real polarizing thing. But like women, oh boy, go.
Speaker 1:Oh, boy Go, stop yeah.
Speaker 2:Back up. Just take like breastfeeding very polarizing, you are hurting your kid developmentally If you don't do it. Science would say actually science, there's science that argues on both sides Right, but like your kid's going to be fine If you don't do it. You got to figure out what works for you. And even if you say like, okay, we agree on breastfeeding, how long should you breastfeed your child? There's massive disagreements there, yeah, but like everything's an opinion, everything's an opinion. The RPD nutrition actually does say and I appreciate him saying this is like the best parent is a I can't remember parent is a happy or sane parent. Just do what keeps you sane. And he's right. It's those little moments where you just go off the deep end because you're losing your fucking mind. They're going to scar your children.
Speaker 1:We've adopted it. It's a book that I just got. It's called Skydiving With your Kids. When you just do it, you start really early. Yeah, because that's the reality of everything. It's like all fear is taught right, so you can also un-teach fear. You don't need to have heights or jumping off of tall things. Those don't need to be concerns. You know what I mean. So you start really early with. That Keeps me sane to your point and a lot of quality time. You can't hear them much. It's loud, the wind's loud. I'll put a resource to that book, cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a link at the bottom of this episode, so anybody who wants to find that one, it's pretty good and I would argue some people want a tandem jump. I would say, let them go, you know, let them, let them.
Speaker 1:Let them spread their own wings, let them free fall solo, you know it's like the baby bird in the nest, right if, if mama held on to him all the time, he never learned to fly.
Speaker 2:So kind of the same.
Speaker 1:You gotta push them out right, right, no, I think that's fair. I mean, that's because that's the whole thing is, you know, for your examples of, like you know, breastfeeding or something like that? It's like there's so much guilt around it that, like some women kill themselves trying to make things happen when it's not going to happen, is a mom who is a mess because of how challenging this is, that actually a better substitute than formula, and one who is okay and happy and not? I think that's a. I think that's a smart way to handle it. For sure is the idea of some level of parents sanity. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm so tired. Wrap that shit up. I think what Scott's trying to say is that love is blind. I mean, love is blind. Is what I'm trying to say? No, adam, I feel for you. It's a tough road out there, but I think just look for whatever's got the most views on YouTube and that's pretty solid. I don't know how we can do it better.
Speaker 1:Facebook is the answer, brother Meta, please if you could Meta. Sorry, if you can find it on.
Speaker 2:Meta, it's probably accurate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nobody even knows what you're talking about when you say Facebook. We've already made the switch. Yeah, you're right. Alright, meatballs, it's that time. Good, good lord, it's that time. We need to let you get out of here. If you want to be on the show, please send us a question dad's a spicy meatball at gmailcom and you can get in the crock pot. We'll talk about it if it's something that we think is interesting, and apparently if you blast us the way Adam does, that's a surefire way to get on the show. Yeah, you got me real riled up tonight.
Speaker 2:Thank, you Adam.
Speaker 1:You sure did. He was flagging and that pulled him right out of it. Had to be going, had him going. Special thanks to Nick Shields, the band Odd Folks for our theme music, special thanks to Julie Hartman for our artwork and a special thanks to you there fella, fella guy, fella guy, fella guy. Is there any other old-timey terms that I could start using? Tj used to say boyos. I liked that.
Speaker 2:Boyos, big time boyos.
Speaker 1:Hey, so give it to me like he'd walk in the house. What did he say? Hey boyos, hiya boyos. That's right, it was hiya boyos, hiya boyos. That's good, anyways, glad to talk to you, I'm I'm gonna fall asleep minutes after this is over, as we, as we finish, and there he is, he's a goner. What do you say next week? Yeah, let's give it a go give it a go love you and I'll talk to you then, toodles.